They can be expanded/collapsed with +/-

Likely a bug in Qt. Accessibility Insights for Windows shows that the parent of all grid items is the tree view. It should probably be the parent item instead so that ATs can go up and count the level.

In T6568#208992, @timegrid wrote:

Still open in this ticket (see https://dev.gnupg.org/T6568#208755 ):

• Collapsible items in tree views can't be expanded/collapsed, at least not with space or arrow left/right

Still open in this ticket (see https://dev.gnupg.org/T6568#208755 ):

• Collapsible items in tree views can't be expanded/collapsed, at least not with space or arrow left/right
• Tab navigation in the Smartcard Dialog is broken

New tickets split from this:

• https://dev.gnupg.org/T7952 Make table column headings for other tables accessible
• https://dev.gnupg.org/T7953 Make table header column width accessible
• https://dev.gnupg.org/T7954 Highlight focused cell in tables

In T6568#208875, @timegrid wrote:

• Column sort order and visibility can be configured only via view and nowhere else. That's how it should be, right?

What do you mean?

The description says: The selection of visible columns and sorting should be possible **additionally** via the main menu.
I just wanted to make sure, "additionally" means additionally to the normal (non a11n accessible) context menu and not some other (a11n accessible) place i haven't found.

• Column sort order and visibility can be configured only via view and nowhere else. That's how it should be, right?

What do you mean?

Yes, very likely it was with NVDA's (update) installer. Therefore I looked at NVDA's source code to find out how to make it work for Kleopatra just to find out that NVDA fakes it itself. I would close this ticket as won't fix.

Ah, I see. I heard the continuous beeps with another pitch once (probably in the installer then) and thought this was possible. Shall I set this to won't fix then?

In T6568#208750, @timegrid wrote:

Questions:

• Column sort order and visibility can be configured only via view and nowhere else. That's how it should be, right?

The 50 % is when either WKD lookup or keyserver lookup are done and the other is still running. None of those two lookups can be partially done. Hence there's no way to do something with more steps (safe for faking it with a timer). The only alternative is an unspecified progress bar, but unspecified progress bars (aka busy indicators) are completely silent as you can see in the "Loading certificate cache..." busy indicator. (NVDA's code doesn't support unspecified progress except in their own installer which has special code for this, i.e. the installer makes the sound itself.)

I also tried to check all tables i can find and it mostly looks good:

• Certificates Lists:
  • Main
  • Import ("Show imported")
  • Cert Selection (e.g. Sign as)
  • Keyserver Lookup
  • Smartcard
  • Groups (both available and in group)
• Certificate Details
  • User IDs
  • Sub-keys
  • Certifications

Looks good to me on gpg4win-5.0.0-beta413 @ win11

Looks good to me on gpg4win-5.0.0-beta413 @ win11

Looks good to me on gpg4win-5.0.0-beta413 @ win11.

Looks good to me on vsd-3.3.3-beta90.32 @ win10.

Looks good to me on gpg4win-5.0.0-beta413 @ win11.

Looks good to me on gpg4win-5.0.0-beta413 @ win11:

Looks good to me on gpg4win-5.0.0-beta413 @ win11.

Looks good to me on gpg4win-5.0.0-beta413 @ win11

This has been changed:

• A progress/busy indicator page is now shown while smartcards are loaded (unless there are already smartcards shown; in this case the update happens "in the background"). Screen readers speak the progress message.
• The texts on the placeholder page (that is shown if no smartcards were found) are now accessible (if AT is active), i.e. one can reach them with Tab and initially the first text has keyboard focus (so that it's spoken).
• When a smartcard is found then the first smartcard tab has keyboard focus.

This is fixed.

Backported for VSD 3.4.

Fixed (as far as possible).

This needs to be fixed in Kleopatra because we create our own config dialog using a generic page dialog.

The second problem with the wrong tab order is also fixed.

Removing VSD 3.4 tag. I don't intend to backport the changes in Qt 6 to Qt 5.

In T7588#207022, @timegrid wrote:

• unselected radio/checkboxes are a bit hard to see and worse to distinguish

In T7588#207022, @timegrid wrote:

• calendar (weekend days: general/selected/hover on dark background)

An new suggestion for the wording without prior reading of the above texts to get a fresh view.
But in German ...

For the open issue I have created T7890: Kleopatra: Icon sidebar in configuration dialog is missing an accessible name because it needs to be fixed upstream (in KDE Frameworks).

Looks good to me on gpg4win-5.0.0-beta395 @ win11

Looks mostly good to me on gpg4win-5.0.0-beta395 @ win11.

nvda speech viewer output:

Related Addresses  tab control
Related Addresses  tab  Alt+  R
Related addresses  list
edward.tester@demo.gnupg.com  not selected

speech viewer:

Search missing keys when verifying a signature  check box  not checked  Alt+  S
X.509 Directory Services  grouping
Directory services  list  This is a list of all directory services that are configured for use with X.509.

Sounds good to me on gpg4win-5.0.0-beta395 @ win11

Looks good to me on gpg4win-5.0.0-beta395 @ win11

Looks good to me on gpg4win-5.0.0-beta395 @ win11

Tested on gpg4win-5.0.0-beta395 @ win10/win11

Fixed and backported for VSD 3.4

Fixed for VSD 3.4

Fixed and backported for VSD 3.4

Backported for VSD 3.4

Backported for VSD 3.4

Backported for VSD 3.4

Fixed. When one of the lists/tables gets focus then NVDA should speak something like "<name of list> list" or "<name of table> tree view".

We discussed this and decided that this would not be useful, as